Interview with Molly Tanzer

On this episode of The Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast Heather does an interview with Molly Tanzer. Part of a series of interviews with authors of historically-based fiction featuring queer women.

Episode 34b

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In this episode we talk about

  • Finding inspiration in 18-19th century literature
  • Queer themes in historic literature and how they are erased
  • Exploring the decadent movement and gender-flipping The Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar Wilde
  • The complexities of signaling queer content in mainstream books–are queer relationships spoilers?
  • Cultural intersections in Vermillion and why there aren’t any sequels at this point
  • Shifts in the social landscape in how authors approach gender, sexuality, and cultural background
  • Molly’s attraction to 18th century settings, being inspired by historic aesthetics and artistic movements
  • Conversations that manifest in artistic output
  • The roots of the modern novel in women’s literature of the 18th century
  • Trying to write in the current political climate

Molly’s Books

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[Music] this is Heather Rose Jones with a lesbian historic motif podcast this weekly podcast looks at lesbian themes in history and literature and historic research into gender and sexuality we talk about current historical fiction with queer female characters including fantastic versions of the past and have interviews with authors who write those stories and in months when we have a fifth show we’re proud to present new original lesbian historical fiction for your enjoyment today the lesbian historic motif project is talking to Molly Tanner who has written a number of books that place queer characters and historic settings and then throw fantastic antagonists at them welcome Molly thank you very much Molly you’ve written across a number of genres always with an overlay of the weird but of course given my podcast topic I’d like to talk about the works where you intersected queer female characters with historic settings and the book that drove me to work up the guts to invite you on the show is creatures of will and temper so perhaps you could tell our listeners a bit about it and of course about the recently released sequel creatures of want and ruin delighted creatures of women temper is a historical novel that does have a fantastical element but it’s it’s based on Picture of Dorian Gray and so there was already a bit pissed off an testicle matrix of that story as well but I think I definitely ratcheted it up because the demons are real and the conceit of this retelling and also but the the main thing I had a really good time doing with it was and gender inverting most of the characters some of the the queer themes of Dorian Gray actually cause like scandal when it was officially published and so the version that most of us read in school is a much less queer version than he originally wrote a lot of the homoerotic eros that was going on was cut from later editions especially as regards basil and his relationship with Dorian but I decided that I wanted to amplify that and since I tend to write about women’s and women’s experience I I wanted to continue the queer Ness of the book but then turn it around and write about Newton’s experience so it was really interesting I have a might have stories focused on 18th century British literature but I sort of straight into the Victorian a few times just because it was easy to get courses in that regard summer he had a very good grounding in Victorian literature and it’s interesting my my favorite class about Victorian literature was one that I took called desire and disease in Victorian London and that one it was really an amazing class and it’s interesting that since lesbianism was pathologized at that time there were a lot of queer a lot of queer elements to a lot of women’s fiction that was going on about desire and disease so I had a lot of research under my belt with that to begin with even if it was a lot of mm-hmm underground discussions right it wasn’t right out there in the forefront like mine is where dorita is a little bit acronym anachronistic and that she’s just like it’s so fantastic this is a fantasy but demons exist I’m just going to I’m gonna go for this but I do tend to explore queer themes in my fiction just because I do think there’s a lot of query sure and historical fiction and well you have certain authors that are doing a lot in that regard like I wanted to be among their number of people who are representing history is a lot closer as it would have been then the more sanitized narratives that we’ve gotten over time that entail I’d the very real presence of queer people in our history literary and artistic and otherwise mm-hmm so I love you test on this just now but I love how the book cat catches the spirit of the decadent and aesthetic movements yeah it’s a passion of mine and and as you mentioned queer sexuality is sort of an embedded aspect of both of those themes and did you have particular challenges in putting your characters into that context and how they approach their own identities in sexuality you mentioned that dureena is a bit more self aware of her queerness than one might expect for the day I’m not sure that’s true although perhaps for a young middle-class girl well I think I just mean in terms of her enthusiastic embracing of it especially being from like an upper-middle-class place I think that she’s a little bit bolder than your normal couldn’t like country country minor noble would be about such things just because I really I read a couple of things when I was first as a writer about like what kind of stories do queer people get uh-huh and I read a lot about like the peculiar gaze problem of like the tragic the tragic lesbian who dies as a tragic gay man who dies and I’ve tried every time I’m engaged with queerness to avoid things like I mean people die in books that’s just a thing that happens but you can fall in and out of that stereotype and so with dureena I really wanted to have her be the character who was most comfortable with her sexuality among everyone I didn’t want it to be her discovering she was a lesbian I wanted it to be her start with her knowing that she preferred women and that this was part of her identity and that she was allowed to feel these feelings and that they were valid and then her straight-laced straight sister was the one who was wrestling with her sexuality the entire time because I felt that that would be a fun narrative and the dynamic of that would be a lot more interesting for me as a writer there are a lot of queer coming-of-age stories out there in both adult historical fiction which is what I write and my a and so rather than tread that path again it seemed kind of fun to have her be like nah just like chicks like and so like I I wanted her to be in that place which I didn’t to have a few lines and stuff like that in my writing just to keep it sounding as modern as it would have sounded to people mm-hmm that time period so that’s what I mean about having her be enough gonna say guy it was definite it’s not an acronym for her to be aware of these things but rather her attitude towards it as this bold brash sort of like taking real evening Victorian England it’s like one of the things I loved was that in many ways the sister and I’m currently totally blanking on the sisters name what was she hmm oh right so I’m one of the things I loved is that the sister of Edna is in some ways the more butch character you know she is the the nerdy scholarly fencer she know she dresses up in pants to go to fencing school and very no nonsense with in terms of relationships with men although you know she’s not entirely certain what she wants that terms and and reading the book jacket cover copy I I can’t think it’s like oh man Levin he’s being set up to be the queer character except accepted very clearly says that she’s falling in love with a man oh oh no no no uh and I’m gonna confess it took me a couple of years to get around to reading the book because I read that cover copy and I felt like I was being queer dated it’s like it feels queer around the edges but it what does it feel like they have your books publicity bury the lead like that well you know it’s funny I’m trying I think I wrote a lot of this and I tried to so I’m looking at it now it says the dureena is enamored of Lady Harry yeah she is enamored of her and memory is kind of a weak word so it’s funny people don’t necessarily realize yes I am aware it was interesting to me because I get super uptight I never want I never know what to reveal and what to redact because people are so people are so concerned with spoilers yes I had one author tell me that well no I didn’t make it clear that the protagonist is in a same-sex relationship because that would be a spoiler it’s like yeah you know it’s weird what people are gonna get upset about I know that I am I’m super gun-shy about it too because I when I was starting to explore reading the works of HP Lovecraft I picked up an old Edition that had the the shadow over Innsmouth in it and I read the back cover copy and it was like and he finds out and then his the whole mystery and I was like who wrote this like why would you do this this is like this is a I mean just because this was written in the 20s doesn’t mean that people are going aren’t going to come to it for the first time in the future yeah to me I have to think about that too where it’s like you know what will people want to know and so I I tried to I tried to make it a little bit about that but it’s difficult to when you’re writing all three of the books in the series how coat aganist the people and I wanted to give them equal time but but in value really does sort of come to the forefront of the book in a few ways just because she does more protagonist and dureena though so I focus it on her but you know now I’m questioning myself because now that I’m looking over it I I didn’t I didn’t want to give away that they would eventually get together because that does sort of feel like I mean it happens too late in the book sorry you know I never know I never know that kind of thing and I I’m I’m kind of horrified to hear that it was interpreted as queer baby because that’s definitely with my least weight my there’s something I wanted to do the least and that’s why I kind of for grounded the queerness of it and the authors note that I that I put in the front of it because yeah it is it’s it is on going to be queer baited and it’s it’s a huge problem that I disliked in television and things like that but no like during it was always going to be just like a hardcore like never even kissed a boy to know who she was kind of character where his lady Henry is a little bit like I guess I try and I apologize for using the word queerbaiting because that isn’t actually what I meant it was more there’s this phenomenon I’ve seen especially from the mainstream publishers and keep in mind that my own books are being published by a lesbian press so mine fall under the category of you have come to a donut shop you are going to buy donuts we are going to sell you donuts and what I find often with the mainstream press is you look at a book a book that has say been submitted for consideration by the lambda literary awards and you read the cover copy and it’s like well why I mean what what why and yeah it was more like that it was it was if I didn’t have a if I hadn’t red Vermillion I would not have it would not have occurred to me that the book might have queer characters but let’s move on from that so I’d loved your debut novel Vermillion and it came out back in 2015 and for my listeners it this is I would describe it as a weird Western it has supernatural beings like vampires and sasquatches it’s also a world populated with sentient non-human species based on like bears and sea lions and it has got queer wrap all over the place um the protagonist Lou Meriwether is biracial she is British and Chinese and operating out of San Francisco as a psychopomp someone who lays the spirits of the dead to rest and she is embodying a really popular trope in westerns with female protagonists that she is a woman wearing masculine clothing and sometimes being read as male and that’s okay with her and I hope that I am being accurate in reading her as female dressed in men’s clothes as opposed to perhaps more on the genderqueer spectrum you know it’s interesting I I wrote the first so Vermillion did come out in 2015 but I wrote the very first draft a bit than 2010 and I wanted at that time when we just have and I mentioned that sort of time gap now in 2019 because things have changed so much we discuss identity even in that almost decade period yeah and I’m not sure if I necessarily had just to be completely honest I’m not sure if I have a handle on the language that I do now which I still don’t think is it exceptional I still learn things all the time but I wanted her to i I do refer to her as her her I’ve always thought of her as someone who didn’t I mean the language that people had at that time period was a lot different as well even the even works facially we’re different than just between 27 2019 the way that people talked about gender and and sexuality in 1870 was remarkably different ya never really had her questioning her identity as as a woman but rather I had she’s just sort of existing in a lot of in-between spaces yes and that was close Oh too busy to figure out exactly how she would want to be considered like I’ve had people ask if she’s trans and I’ve never considered clewd to be trans she always to me felt like oh like oh like that she was comfortable in her body and it was just other people that had issues with it and not that comfortable no no I yeah but I think is something here that I’m not sure if I’m articulating it very well but she is not sure about a lot of things including even her sexuality because she’s been asked to choose a lot of things her whole life and she is someone who is not into choosing and and it comes across very clearly as I recall that she is attracted to multiple genders and is sorting that out and at the end of the book there’s a sense that there might be a relationship with a woman in her future and with a specific woman in the book it but it’s still something she’s thinking about did you ever think about writing further beyond the end of that book and exploring that question I did I there were going to be sequels that unfortunately never materialized for various different reasons and now you know it’s funny it’s vermillion is my most popular book I still get people emailing me about it and asking about sequels and I was super grateful but it’s interesting to me because I I would love to go back and work on it again but again in the 10 years that have been since I even came up with blues character the I’m not sure if I’m in the same place that I was when I wrote that like when I was when I was writing her million I was heavily involved with the asian-american community out here in Colorado I was doing traditional kung fu in a studio that every Lunar New Year would sir the Chinese in Vietnamese community around here doing lion dance and I was doing lion dance at the time I was in the tail of the lion and would like do tricks and routines and things like that and because of that I felt like I was a little bit more able to write in that mode and now that that has gone from my life I think I and now that the own voices movement has sort of influenced me and made me realize a few things about you know I don’t think that I I was trying I tried really hard not to be culturally appropriate as Vermillion and I and I’m not afraid to go back to that space I just know that the amount of bye and I have to put in to make sure that I was still as up on everything I would need to be up on I’m not sure that that’s still in my life now that I’m not involved with that community yeah I know that makes total sense I have to say that reading it as a white person but a person who has read up on the history of you know the Chinese presence in the West historically I would not have been surprised to discover that you had some Chinese heritage to yourself but I totally understand that coming from the place where you are you might decide it’s it’s not as the kids say these days it’s not your lane yes it’s front now I mean it was front then and I don’t think I realized how fraught it was and I just went ahead with it because I was a lot younger and a lot Brasher and I was just like you know I hang out constantly like I’m listening I’m trying to incorporate all that I had a huge reading list that I really looked into even actually paid a visit to San Francisco to visit the Chinese Historical Society out there and and do all my due diligence and you know I really I do miss Lou and I and a lot of the other characters and and indeed I was gonna bring out her so her partner the home has a cousin named him as a nephew named Emery who was mentioned in the books and he was gonna become a character later in it and just a lot of different things like that and and as and I’m not saying it’ll never happen there may be a point in time where I’m ready to go back to that world and explore it because I I do love it and it’s like vermilion is the book I wrote when I first moved to Colorado I would be so inspired by all the hiking I was doing and the landscape out here and and the history and things and so I and since I’m still here and I now even live in a smaller more rural city than I did when I wrote it it’s really it’s it’s a it’s a passion project and I hope to go back to it but we’re just gonna have to see where everything takes me at this point because it’s the world has changed in such a way that I know I’d have to be even more careful and I was so careful that I I annoyed a few people making a lot of phone calls and ask and calling in favors asking for translations of things and likewise on use and things like that so we’ll see I think they’re totally fair I do the lesbian talk-show relies on support the support of you our listeners the support of those who like and review our show on their favorite podcast app the support of our patrons on patreon and the support of our sponsors we hope you’ll continue to enjoy and support the lesbian talk show are there any historic eras that you’d love to set stories and that you haven’t explored yet it sounds like you’ve got a lot of projects in your head I do that what I’m working on currently is set in the 1940s at the tail end of World War Two in England and that’s been really interesting because I’ve never worked in that time period before I I do long to go back to the 18th century the 18th century is my area of if I have an area of expertise that is my area of expertise it was the focus of my master’s degree I read broadly in that time period and I said a few things there my I have a novella called Rambo lien that is sadly going out of print possibly before this podcast even airs so that’s gonna be difficult for anyone to get their hands on but it’s a 18th century what would you call it but it’s a it’s about a fancy party where the council sanjana main shows up and everyone has a different experience of what happened at the party and afterwards because things go so badly that the the protagonist decides to try to piece together whatever experience of that night was and he can’t quite get a full grasp of it it’s it’s a fun one and they and I have an 18th century novels well called The Pleasure merchant that was my second published novel that’s all about it when we makers apprentice who is dismissed from his apprenticeship after he’s blamed for a crime he didn’t commit and then he it’s the only novel and writ long for anything I’ve written with a male protagonist he he basically becomes the valet of the man he suspects set him up for this crime and it gets a little bit it gets very very weird from there because he cuz it’s a picaresque great so as he as he rises in society his his impulse has become a lot lower and when he has offered his heart’s desire for a price it’s not the hearts desire that he starts out the book with but there’s also there’s a secondary a coat agonist and that one as well who is a mysterious bisexual woman who is hovering at the edges of this narrative and she was really really fun to write as well so I’d love to go back to the 18th century just because I’m very comfortable there all the time and I really enjoy that time period with it’s strange gender fluidity and yet its excesses and its sexiness and it’s just like all on ridiculousness and so I would like to go back to that at some point but I actually think that might just be pure fantasy so we’ll see that’s where I got me that’s where I grew up what I grew up reading my dad was a huge reader of fantasy fiction and I’ve never written like a full-on fantasy novel and so we’ll see if I go there first I might chicken out and go back to writing historical fiction solacing yeah actually you’ve I think you’ve mentioned that your academic background is in historic literature mm-hmm and is that so do you have other historic interests outside of literature that led you into this or is it pretty much that that was your window into writing historical fiction it was a bit of my window into writing it although my my undergraduate degrees in art history so it’s funny I have a big historical background but it’s all through art and literature I am so dreadful when it comes to dates and kings and monarchies and things like that because I I tend to think about things in terms of artistic movements rather than other ways of marking time and so it’s strange to think about but I always have to like double it like it’s not the Victorian no it is okay that is Victorian about is what were people writing and painting at that time and those markers are how history passes and in my understanding of it so but I think for a creative person that might be a better way in because you’re trying to create that that sense that feeling that you that matches up very well with the literature and the aesthetics and the visuals you can always look up dates and names but getting the aesthetic is harder and that’s that’s really where my passion is like I’ve always been a bit of a mimic I really enjoy pastiche I’ve always really enjoyed pastiche I love the I love the way that people attempt to imitate the people that they respect and admire or that they are totally harshing on I that conversation that people have through art through imitation as one of the things that fascinates me the most and that’s why often those not to get like 2.20 about it oh please please do work with throughout the through line of my work would be like doubling imitation issues of identity like who’s pretending to be what in this scenario and how and why and what are the emotional ley lines of this you know of the scenario and I think and I think my passion for art and the idea like even just like the idea where like you have people that are producing art in the style of X in order to please consumers just fascinates me like when you have these paintings and it’s like does this guy paint this I don’t know maybe it was just a studio like it’s hard to tell I want out of me thing that and the another obsession would buy the idea of authenticity it’s fascinating to me so that tends to come through and my work especially when I’m working in historical settings I’m fascinated by the idea of literature being in conversation so whether it’s in conversation with its historic antecedents or especially the ways in which different parts of genre literature are in conversation with each other and especially working in the SFF where it’s in conversing with so many different genres currently and you know you’re doing the fantasy and it interacts with the westerns and it interacts with weirdness and it interacts with you know queer literature and interacts with the historic literature you’re basing it on and I am utterly fascinated by all of that and the ways in which authors are bouncing off of each other both for creativity and for evolution of thinking the ways in which historical romance has been evolving to merge the the historic settings and the modern sensibilities so so I will never stop somebody from talking about that sort of thing and it’s a richer native I remember when I was just starting off on my masters and we were talking about 18th century literature and it’s funny like I’ve never I’ve never read I read moose of Pamela and I have never read Clarissa and when people talk about 18th century literature Allah aside from Robinson Crusoe those are like the three novels that people talk about and they’re all written by men and yet those novels are in conversation with women’s literature I still maintain that women invented the novel the modern novel as we conceptualising today in 18th century England women’s fiction at that time was highly based around the idea of individual person’s growth and change throughout a storyline and and I know that’s like a contentious topic and I’m not trying to take away from early novel contenders such as Don Quixote or morisaki she could lose Tale of Genji I just think that those things we have this weird tendency to think that the novel is the most important form of literature which I think is extremely modern I don’t see it that way I think there are many different forms of literature and they all have equal importance and I also would maintain that many things that we call novels are actually romances and that sense of like this is a story about a thing but it’s not necessarily focused on growth and change but really women are the people who are other writers who are focusing on that idea of how is this person different at the end of the story than they are at the beginning not socially but emotionally like how are they how would their thoughts and sensations and their feelings changed and so let me look at something like Pamela and then when and then it the the the parody novel that came out Shambala and that essentially conversation that many men were having you know that the foundation of that really is women talking to one another through novels because that’s who was they were who were reading novels and then would pick them up and read them again super into them but these were a lot of early 18th century novels were by women for women for women’s consumption and they often dealt with things such as slavery and the slave trade or women’s subjectivity or women’s experience in society and how it was unfair and so I don’t know I guess in the way that I try to have conversations in my novels with other forms of art and other and other writers I I see myself as going as is it being sort of part of a tradition that goes back hundreds and hundreds of years that I get to be a part of and it’s it’s such a an honor and a privilege to have be part of that line so I get in super nerdy about it that is fabulous so what are you working on currently that you want to tell the listeners about I know you mentioned when we were chatting before we started recording about having a deadline coming up so what’s that project so yeah I’m ready so the creatures of the winter is the first in a series ii has creatures have wanton ruin which is also about two women and it is set in nineteen john in 1927 on Long Island in in New York which is where I’m from the south of all my family is from Long Island and I said it during their during Prohibition because I thought it would be an interesting story setting and it was because it has a much more political novel and creatures of will and temper and that I started it in the summer of 2016 like by prewriting in the summer of 2016 and I began to write an earnest and I started writing it in the summer of 2016 and I in terms of the prewriting and the idea that and I started writing in earnest in November of 2016 which a few things were happening in this country during that time period and it is a story about a young woman who’s and long I lived in the 20s let me start there Long Island in the 20s was an incredibly fraught time that was it’s an interest it was an interesting place to set a novel that is about modern concerns and in a time period like that because they were going through a cultural shift as well we tend to especially being from the south people in the south and I think Americans who rely on American narratives of what happened in history tend to think of the north as being more enlightened when it comes to race and race relations post-civil war but that is dubiously the case and you know we think of New York as the extremely cosmopolitan but in the 30s not long after this book is set like one in eight people on Long Island had Klan affiliation and sure that affiliation at that time was more concerned with are you Catholic necessarily like race but race did play a part of it and there was this concern about immigration that is obviously our huge national conversation right now so it is a book about the idea of immigration and like the idea of community and who decides who gets to be a part of a community and who gives them that authority and the young woman at the heart of that book the two women are both trying to determine their own communities but the the if Abney has an analog and sort of pulling to the forefront of creatures of all intemperate le West who is a bootlegger and Bing woman and is loosely based on my grandmother she sort of close to the front as well and her father has become involved with a church that seems more political than religious and it makes things difficult for her in her life and so there’s that’s the second book series and third goes back to England and that’s the one I’m finishing up right now it’s called creatures of charm and hunger that will be out in the spring of 2020 and it is set at the tail in the world war two and two young women they’re younger than the other two books they’re just teens just both of them are turning 16 basically they are both wrestling with a lot of what comes with being an early teenager and also the end of the war one girl is a Jewish refugee from Germany who escaped the war to live apart from her parents in the north of England with a family friend and so she’s got a lot going on and then the other woman Jane is has failed an important test in her life and is not sure what that means for the rest of her life so both of them are struggling with it I got a fuse of identity Who am I what is my place in the world and the queer themes in that one are a little less than the other books although I am writing Jane as ace and that has been an interesting challenge for me because I do tend to include a lot of sex and eros in my books and Jane’s feelings in that regard are remarkably different so it’s been fun to read a lot of information about people who identify as ace and try to use that as a basis for some meaningful representation in this book so that has been like a apart from all the other things that are going on that has been like really interesting for me yeah I couldn’t see that from the other side as a thank you myself trying to write characters who resonate with a low sexual reduce is fascinating challenge it is it’s it’s it is and I and I again like we were talking about the own voices movement and things like that but it’s someone who I do find it it’s I do think we have to try to as writers get outside of our own heads absolutely it’s challenging in so many different ways but I do find it rewarding and that I always think that I come to understand my friends with different identities a lot more when I’m listening to them in an effort to understand them enough that I could put something similar into something I’m writing if that makes sense you know whether its history or whether its identity of modernity we all have such amazing experiences and it’s an honor as a writer to try to get to incapsulate that is if their words you know I don’t know it’s absolutely yes any idea what you’re going to work on once this manuscript is turned in or is that totally an open book as it were it’s so I have a goal this year of writing five short stories I’ve already written to you which I’m shocked by because I’m not I have to really make myself write short stories novels I always have a novel sort of running as a background problem program in the back of my mind short stories I have to concentrate on as much more because I’m not comfortable with them but I let it slide last year and I’m trying I’m trying to be better about focus I think many of us have had a lot of distractions in our lives yeah there’s a reason why I went two years without a new book out yeah it’s so hard and I think I think many many writers are going through the same thing which is that you know our craft is necessarily solitary and it is often done I think for many of us in a in a medium such as a computer that is extremely easy to then switch over to the Internet yes as things are chaotic constantly it’s so easy to get lost in up-to-the-minute politics and you know I’ve an app on my laptop and my phone called self-control that locks me out of so many things and it’s it’s a wonder is a wonderful app and because you can either create a blacklist or whitelist like you can go to every website except for a few you can go to no websites except for a few that you determine and that’s been very helpful because it’s someone you know I volunteered on a political campaign and last year which is one of the reasons that you know I was a little bit behind them on this novel because it was like no I have to advocate for this man who I think should be governor as opposed to like literal villain from an old western walkers have you ever heard of like old Sheriff Walker Stephens gonna shoot you dead and he was running against jared Polis who you know Azhar was our rep in Boulder County and you know he has his concerns but he’s he’s the first openly gay governor of the state and you know he’s a dad of two and he’s Jewish as well and and I was super into him and I cheered for him but it’s all over this distraction away from getting your fingers on the keyboard and writing things down and so I think so many of us have had that trouble in it I’m hoping hoping for 2019 just like for people to just be become it’s just too much for this for this yeah so uh if people wanted to follow you on social media where should they look for you I am on my social media I tend to keep my facebook a little bit more private and so I am Molly Tanzer on Facebook if anyone here is down for more of this kind of rambling discourse finding their I often will be I try to accept most woman’s friend requests I am a little bit more cautious with men in this day and age but if you send me a message before if you send me a message along with the friend request I almost always accept those because it’s like okay you’re not a creeper right my twitter is public and that’s at Molly underscore at the underscore tans so Molly the tans and then my Instagram is just my name is well Molly Tanzer and that is also public and that is no politics and mostly just pictures of my extremely cute cat so that is like I think in terms of agitation my Instagram has the least agitated my twitter is fairly agitated because I reach made a lot of politics and then my facebook is like raw Molly and so like if I thought you want send me a request but just so you know it’s it’s it’s not the place that I’m the most restrained because it is probably it is private so and you have a website as well I do that’s why let’s forget about it but yes Molly Tanzer calm is my website it is often fairly accurate although it is I think it still has creatures of want and ruin as forthcoming I many things have gone by the wayside as I’ve tried to create turn in this book with a level of perfectionism that I don’t know why I expect it for myself and what’s basically a first draft so well I’ll include all of these links in the show notes along the reins to the many many books we’ve discussed in the conversation and thank you so much for sharing your time with the lesbian historic motif podcast thank you so much for having me on it was such a thrill to get the invite it was like oh yeah I hope you’ve enjoyed this episode of the lesbian historic motif podcast if you want to follow up on anything we’ve covered see the show notes for links and to contact me with questions book announcements or topic suggestions if you enjoyed this podcast please read it and subscribe on itunes stitcher or pod bean and consider supporting our patreon and if you’re on facebook check out the lesbian talk show chat group [Music]