Lee Winter Talks Books, Fanfic and Journalism

On this episode of Seize the Day 3 times GCLS Goldie winning author and former award winning journalist Lee Winter talks Books, Fanfic and Journalism.

It’s my anniversary show today – WOW.  One year ago, I started this podcast journey and I’ve loved every single minute since.  So when thinking how to celebrate this milestone, what could be better than to invite my favourite author on to the show.  I am super delighted that LEE WINTER joins me today.

From her awarding winning journalist days, to writing fanfic and transitioning into a full time author, Lee talks candidly about how her writing career has evolved.  She has some truly incredible stories to tell and some amazing ‘Seize the Day’ moments.  I loved every minute.

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NEW BOOK as discussed on the show: Changing The Script

OTHER BOOKS & BLOGS DISCUSSED

Turbulence by E J Noyes

Synopsis

Stockbroker Isabelle Rhodes has a lot of money, a lot of trust issues, and a whole lot of reasons to believe her ex-girlfriend was right when she said that Isabelle sucked at relationships. With that accusation stuck in her head, Isabelle throws caution to the wind and dives into her first one-night stand. Checking that off her bucket list should be something to celebrate—except it turns out that the woman she just spent an earth-shattering night with is actually her newly hired company pilot, Audrey Graham.

Ms. Never-See-You-Again just turned into Ms. See-You-Constantly.

Concerned about the stigma of workplace dalliances, Isabelle vows it can’t go further than the one night. Good plan—if not for an insistent libido and an even more persistent Audrey who conspires to break Isabelle’s resolve. Soon their no strings arrangement starts to feel a lot like dating, and Isabelle finds herself wanting more than just casual nights together…

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The Red Files by Lee Winter

Synopsis

Ambitious Daily Sentinel journalist Lauren King is chaffing on LA’s vapid social circuit, reporting on glamorous A-list parties while sparring with her rival – the formidable, icy Catherine Ayers. Ayers is an ex-Washington political correspondent who suffered a humiliating fall from grace, and her acerbic, vicious tongue keeps everyone at bay. Everyone, that is, except knockabout Iowa girl King, who is undaunted and unimpressed and gives as good as she gets.

One night a curious story unfolds before their eyes: one political launch, 34 prostitutes and a palette of missing pink champagne. Can the warring pair work together to unravel an incredible story?

This is a lesbian fiction with more than a few mysterious twists.

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Requiem For Immortals by Lee Winter

Synopsis

Professional cellist Natalya Tsvetnenko moves seamlessly among the elite where she fills the souls of symphony patrons with beauty even as she takes the lives of the corrupt of Australia’s ruthless underworld. The cold, exacting assassin is hired to kill a woman who seems so innocent that Natalya can’t understand why anyone would want her dead. As she gets to know her target, she can’t work out why she even cares.

Contains mature themes.

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Breaking Character by Lee Winter

Synopsis

Life has become a farcical mess for icy British A-lister Elizabeth Thornton. America’s most-hated villain stars in a top-rated TV medical drama that she hates. Now, she’s been romantically linked to her perky, new co-star, Summer, due to the young woman’s clumsiness. As a closeted actress, that’s the last thing Elizabeth needs. If she could just get her dream movie role, life would be so much better. The only problem is that the eccentric French film-maker offering it insists on meeting her “girlfriend”, Summer, first.

Summer Hayes is devastated when her co-star shuns her for accidentally sparking rumors that they’re lovers. Now the so-called British Bitch has the audacity to ask Summer to pretend to be her girlfriend to get her a role? Elizabeth doesn’t even like Summer! Oh, how she’d love to tell her no. And Summer definitely would if it wasn’t for the fact she’s maybe a tiny bit in love with the impossible woman.

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you are listening to seize the day with Natalie Miller-Snell during these podcasts we’ll be exploring all of the different opportunities that we get to seize the day on a daily basis and what tools and what changes we can make in order to grab those goals are you ready to make change hello hello hello podcast lovers how are you all it’s Thursday I’m Natalie and you are listening to seize the day now today is my anniversary show whoo-hoo and a suitable way to celebrate is I’ve got an incredible guest on who I am beyond excited about talking to and probably will get a little bit giddy with excitement she’s a fantastic woman an incredible author a former award-winning journalist three times GCLs Goldy winner and it’s not every day you get to say and have on your favorite author please put your hands together for the incredible Lee Winter well go all out really hey how are you I’m very fine thank you exit and now it’s afternoon/evening time for you is it it’s crikey just over 9 a.m. here so we’re for everyone listening where are you you in your room or where do you podcast from very nice and your garden is absolutely sensational the images that you post online is absolutely beautiful yeah no thanks to me I’m not the whore and toner and my girlfriend does all the actual you know planting in my eating so I business oh I don’t know all that getting it prepared though get in the right stuff in place that’s sir it’s impressive it’s beautiful I do man a good wheelbarrow I can tell you that much and all of the wildlife you’ve got now as well yes I found a kwinda which is a little bandicoot type creature we proof it exists from a towles and its shapes and and it’s a little you know them but we can actually find it no it’s got a home but you can’t see it yes love it love it well thank you so much for coming on now Lee and I crikey we met back or rather I contacted you back in 2017 I can’t believe it was that long ago when I went through my emails and if I recall correctly I was gushing a lot about the red files and requiem’ back then having just read your books and suitably well blown away really with your writing honestly you blew me away I mean I’d been reading less fake for a couple of maybe a year or so and yeah I mean it was a next-level read in your books and I loved it so and for everybody who knows me I do like to ask a lot of questions so I think I fired several your way gratefully you were very patient and we’ve been in contact ever since it’s truly fantastic to have you on a real pleasure so let’s get stuck in and get to know all about you and let’s go right back to the beginning Lee and I have kindly spoken beforehand and you’ve agreed to chat about some journalism days which I think’s yeah I mean reading your blogs and and things that you’ve posted online and it’s quite incredible so if we can go back to there you’ve obviously got a keen love for writing and that blog you posted from pigeon poo to Betty loves Academy howling we loved so let’s start there how did you get into that that role with the junior reporter how did you find your funny bone for anyone who’s not read your blog this is when I discovered I was funny and I didn’t know well everyone thinks they are funny but in with lack of actual evidence from anyway like anyone actually laughing at you don’t you start to buy yourself so I thought okay I’m not funny and I had beginning trainer at the time told us never ever to write humour ever in history ever ever so I well he just thought it was always so badly done that you know soot Lane just it was just easy it just not to just do every story straight but he wasn’t old just the facts ma’am type news man anyway so I don’t think he had a sense he so anyway I was working in Brisbane from people there and then I got sent to what they call the Melbourne euro we’re all the same company because News Corp which is no is a Rupert Murdoch you know dinner equity but at the time it was quite well run anyway so tint of Milton Buren now we worked at the Melbourne pound some paper but that paper hated the bureau people where there were five of us from all around Australia and we got Cynthia and they hated us because they had to find space for us and we’re waiting delivers and we used to blow up all the time and ask them questions about all the same group you went to several illness and company but they did not like those so they put us in it’s three stories up so there’s a really tiny little box of a room and we had emergency exits fears that were exposed to the elements and it’s lineup and them on picking food it was just everything no I would every day I’d get in there and the stories at the herald-sun reporters and the other Bureau people wrote I had to keep five buttons and send every story to every other newspaper in the group news crew and hundreds of times a night and then I went home I didn’t actually get to writing my cell phones and so black and white TV in the office and someone’s and watch TV shows now we had in Australia a comedian ports advisor who ripped off shamelessly the David Letterman Show and I do mean in every single detail from a top-ten list so we thought he was fantastic what’s the top ten list and every night I think this kind of funny isn’t my top ten and when do i what I had to do each night it’s part of my duties worst effects through the hell some front page Steve Myers out show because it was alive and he would hold up they would son along with all the other you know newspapers from around the country say this is what’s gonna be the paper and one night and I was really really bored I thought I’m gonna write my own top ten list is gonna be hilarious so Steve gets to read it might be fun is amazing sorry carry on I love it who does that nineteen year old Terry bored homesick girl from Brisbane so I wrote it my top ten list and I send it through I mean after you know it’s just amazing I watching the show and there’s suddenly he goes oh so we got this thing on the facts and he starts reading my list I’m not funny my Fanny never laughs at my do I know I was really he’s super funny he’s just really funny and he read them out the audience were in stitches of laughter and I stared at him am i funny actually changed my life I thought okay well maybe I should write here ooh maybe different Katrina is full of and has really served me well so I have Stephen Ezard and David Letterman I do you know I love this story I think it’s a it’s amazing and it’s a real seize the day moment right there I mean say what I mean I suppose what makes us do anything in the world but you’re seizing the opportunity and it’s incredible I can’t even begin to imagine how he must have felt haven’t had that on what was in you know massive primetime TV back then must have blown your minds rambles Fritos today we never find out or inquire as to where they were getting it from well the next day my office people from we know what your job is we know what you’re supposed to do it I can’t believe your office though it sounds marvelous a corner room was quite what I mean so your journalism career I mean I know you’ve probably written award-winning bits and bobs and you’ve but had seen quite a few court cases or I think you sat on quite a few court cases back in your day was there anything particularly interesting that you sat in on all that you can share or that stuck with you yeah it was the pace of change being slain Australians know him it’s a very famous heart surgeon it was the most massive news story of it today it was like a failed extortionate technolon where these kind of Asian in crime gang bozos I think they call them they weren’t that stupid so they shot I mean they got me everything when he refused to pay up money and they did it on a street in broad daylight on one of the busiest streets in Sydney and like they beat it in front of a passing bus bus actually sold by paletas gun so money being flung around on the ground I saw the guy took it so that was a really huge story and I had to file for the afternoon versions and two of the papers that had afternoon editions then them until I’d be going in the pool and I take all the notes then I run out at midday and write up a story really really fast that was the thing was I set the time crunch and then I ring up a number and I actually have to speak it over the phone wall a for me and I open quotes oh wow okay cool and perhaps the rest of the case and then I would find for the evening for the next eight papers so that was really exciting like you know it’s only twenty or twenty honey but in and so this was a massive deal for me Wow the Sydney killer case which was a serial killer and he killed five I think he strangled it there five strangers or women you’re kidding us his girlfriend who was also an ugly woman because and the worst thing was he was just this really nice looking every day looking bloke he was like the pie salesman and you can look at him a just look like the grandpa he look like the noise Escalade and I said like two meters away from him every day and you just wouldn’t even that guy’s a serial killer it was really creepy but he arrives in the disco and it was really really pretty that was the first time when I was writing Requiem because I was going to ask did that creep in Italy yeah what’s that line and Requiem where I can’t remember which character says it I think it might be Requiem so that you know the strange thing about humans is we just like have it twisted away from evil yes yes yes I have a twist and and we’re there and I was half and twisted away he was just really angry with his mother everything to him from his anger with his mother and so he was assaulting me and clinging as women because of his mother okay so what an eye-opener to be involved with and obviously getting the opportunity to do with the articles as well but then how that’s influenced well it really interested me in human psyche and I’m one of these sort of people who likes to go down those pounds I actually am quite squeamish which is funny given I wrote a book about a serial killer myself wait assassin I’m not really really squeamish I hate horror Requiem you notice through the mood links getting shot and there’s very very little blood and it’s because of my sensibilities I hate that kind of thing myself so but it took me a lot of human psyche and I was really down with trying to figure it out after that Wow okay so do it do you have any favorite articles that you wrote or either those – one of them or is there anything that you can share or this is gonna sound crazy about a brain running an emo [Laughter] Museum so so I knew there was this big Hospital medical conference in town and I hadn’t even got so on I think this time below that so I thought okay well I don’t see what they’re talking about there are a bunch of people having their meetings in this particular group of about six scientists we’re discussing LMB via the brain rotting amoebas so sounding woman and I’ve both oh hell it’s gonna care about this and you know why no one’s gonna care about this because it’s one of the rarest diseases on the planet because only five people worldwide in the history of ever have ever died from Bellamy theorem either so for well what am I going to do Wow so what’s the girl to do so I wrote the whole thing like a murder mystery and I spelled it off with this thing that triggered the whole thing which was like a monkey and the San Diego Zoo dropped in from unknown causes and when they did the autopsy on the monkey it had this really rare straight and she’s never seen before I’m either in its brain and so I followed I trace it all back and have either oh my goodness it turn you and me bruh and then I ended up with the one two of me two of the five pieces worldwide who died were Australian troops while I was writing about it and how these normal kids just suddenly you know fennel Tacomas absolutely no reason but they could find and then I finished the story with how and of the day they’d be actually having nothing whatsoever to do with this new strain of amoeba and it was just a coincidence that it hadn’t sort of person you know and I wrote the whole thing as a mystery I hope solutely loved it I may be in love with historian Specter in the whole thing being a mystery and one Australia’s highest writing prize at the time for like medical writing and I mean all these really really famous and veteran writers and donors and I thought holy crap maybe I’m not just treading water maybe I can actually swim as a Dermot’s maybe like 10 actually like right like because I made it entertaining I thought maybe that’s what there wasn’t should be maybe you should be kind of really engage people in really um and that combined with its think though I don’t stuff and we’re writing was telling the really come together as being a bit more interesting you know that is just amazingly and quite incredible again I mean to to be a lot of those other journalists and you know oh wow hats off to you that’s incredible flew in from Saudi Arabia to any awards and they were to be winning it was just before they died so oh it’s really it’s such a warm memory in my heart and in my life of having that feeling of achievement and my mum being so proud and their home oh it’s just really nice it submitted me my feeling is what it wants to be doing us of love that’s amazing that’s good I can well imagine that’s absolutely beautiful is there anything that you missed back about those days then obviously moving on from journalism will come into the books now and how you transitioned yeah I really really miss my colleagues they were enormous they were really really smart I know this is not people a stereotype I bet done was being really smart but maybe the ones are this ready that I was working with really were they were smart and they’re already and they did wood pans and lots and lots of jokes and they were really supportive when I wrote a good headline and stuff like that so miss them and may become a full-time writer or where do you leave any workplace and work from home it’s your world sort of shrinks down to only those people in your immediate vicinity and it makes you a bit reclusive yeah I understand that though because even though I’ve been off work for a small limited amount of time I haven’t done a great deal beyond being in in my home you know go to the gym but you you do then sorts limit your exposure so I fully understand that actually I really did get that and in fact we went into town last week and I went on the tube for the first time in what felt like a hehe and it felt really weird but when you might have done that for years it felt very strange so I I really understand that but that sentiment right so how did you get into a fanfic what made you stop writing beyond the journalists eyes and then how did that transition into the books that we now all love you know can’t wait to get our hands on I like feature writing which is kind of like the long-form profiles and stuff like that so that was my thing but I can’t remember how exactly it happened but somehow it was a sub-editor and so I wasn’t writing all the time and it was okay I mean you know but then as time went by this stabbed I really miss it maybe angel hidden a passion all that sort of stuff and then around the same time it’s so what to you to talk over once at one time oh yes I became a big Swan queen fan with everyone yeah and then I started writing my fanfic the staircase under each charcoal which is a terrible piece of writing I did you not to read it it’s alone isn’t it it’s 240,000 words long Wow seventeen for chapters and I have to avoid every one it starts with a right that’s how we have been strained in craziness but I was in a really bad period of time in my life here ready to get some demons out and that started there and what made it even more controversial and get even more loads I hate was the fact that I had like an accidental rate then that one person thought she was role playing and having consensual sex and the other person was nothing on that at all and they thank you and what the hell are you doing and it’s just a terrible misunderstanding it involves one Queen was the worst possible promo could omit in this one Queen fandom and I had many horrible horrible horrible critics on my case for a long time back then anyway so I started writing that and it actually did actually get my creative juices flowing after a while and it morphed into a journey of all sorts of things of understanding and you know forgiving things and yeah finding acceptance and moving on and I mean I couldn’t I could not if I had to people who went through that at the start sort that out within ten chapters that’s what 74 chapters long I strangest thing about it turned into by the end of it I was actually much better because I understand this because I can right now isn’t mommy she doesn’t mean I can write fiction being quite different animals they’re very different animals a fake and so by the end said before Ted wasn’t but to be a fiction writer and my writing is improving what sort of stuff and I had a lot more fun words and the people who slamming me that start giving back a year and especially when they saw I wasn’t trying to do some bills yeah dirty so I checked the numbers today that fanfiction had say one point four million views wow that’s incredible is this a long way by far in my face that’s it so when readers was Astrid oh it’s all about publishing oh it’s the boss lady there and she wrote to me and said Oh anything well it was good I was wondering if you think about writing me a book and that was completely out of my field I had no idea I was just thought he’s just tell him a lint this is really no I you know she was to some you know scammer and she said you were strategy said you always you know so it’s this friend you know there’s a contact to give me this anyway she was very funny she can contact my bones some of you so I could ask some other questions and tell us what myself she wasn’t they heat up and then after that it actually I’m really good friends now and afternoon I read her the read files and Wow the rest is history so that’s quite amazing I mean there’s a couple of things on what you just said there which which blow my mind I think how vocal the world can be about something that you write and obviously at the time it was quite personal to you and helped you get through a stage and again an incredible Caesar day moment that in terms of going through something to then have the opportunity to write a book and astrid approaching you like that is phenomenal so you didn’t know of her she’s just contacted you and was really a thing he was aware exist because when I was 19 I found a and there’s been book shop and I hate it but I read that it was so depressing no it’s coming out angsty and homophobia runs are all so that with that began and ended my list for reading experience so this was many years later and I’m being approached by a misfit publisher and I just was a bit mmm but then when I got embraced in their world I realized what fictions come a long way feral I was reading a long way and people aren’t so fearful you know so absolutely amazing absolutely amazing and then obviously Tara Scott being very happy that the red phones happened and then after that Requiem and what an incredible journey and you were writing these part-time at the time we wrote read files and Requiem I would spend my whole day that’s the dorm that’s quite a day there on Sundays all I did was work on my book and then which the week I was you know normal working week and Saturday was talk so I was very tired but tell me about 14 months to do rent files and I think a little bit bits for requiem Wow me a part-time that way how does it I mean officer you mentioned a bit earlier going from having a job to them being full-time writer how does it feel now cuz you’ve been in this journey first so for a couple of years now isn’t it yeah it’s two and a half years Wow have you found your groove are you kind of in the zone you know give me a paper sometimes I really crave perspective having a daughter most of the time I just absolutely love that I’ve got this passion same passion that made me turn a brain running into a murder mystery the same thing that made me think you know maybe I should sin top 10 list Australia’s former comedian why not do you simply crazy left-field I love it it’s funny I was talking to Angela on Monday Angela Brooke and we were saying the same thing because she’s not working at the moment in the sense that she’s writing full-time in in Germany and we were talking about you know how do you start your day for me I have to shower and get ready like I’m I’m going to work because otherwise I don’t do anything but you have to get into a routine don’t you yes no just don’t skip days I’m always at my desk ready to go somewhere between eight nine it varies but I’m always there and I’ve always you know powering away of it one thing that you know from the days of doing that the katene case I’m really helped was being fast you know you really pound without you have to be really fast the only thing was at one point I had a humid column and Adam Adelaide and they wouldn’t let me write it in what time okay write it in work time so I worked out that I can write in my lunch breaks that’s really really you’ve got to be really fast writer so I didn’t have to write this bloody thing away in my down times so New York so does help with my books I don’t know but I’m especially fans compared with some people but I I do feel like for what I put out it’s pretty good for me what is it they say give if if you want something don’t give it to a busy person I think if it’s done in record time you really really don’t miss deadlines it’s Mike going did I want to get shadow everywhere I move the red files jump into my mind okay so which was out of your books which was the easiest one to write and which one did you find that the most difficult breaking character by far the easiest no it was a dream to write if every book was like that I’d just be like so happy he just fell at me I just thought that’d be fully formed it’s a little bold and split thank you better my favorite tropes in it and then had like parrot design suit you know everything’s going my way book that I’m I had the most trouble with there’s the one that I’m sure supposed to finishing now which is my seventh book changing the script which is a spinoff from breaking character which involved Alex just miss mrs. director friend who goes off to New Zealand to make the move towards movie she’s in the forest thank you very much is the name of the title of the movie was movie and what she’s there she kind of gets on the bad side of a local cop Samantha and it’s so hard to write because it’s such an ensemble piece because what the whole town thing the museum thing I’ve got at least two three characters from the previous book go include which is Skye and summer miss Chloe Wow they’re all in there there’s lots of cameos there’s lots of things and then there’s this this pot in the middle why is someone sabotaging Alex’s MIDI mmm it’s going wrong what is happening so I’ve got little tiny mini filling on the background but all the its characters and I’ve also got Sam what’s falling in love in the middle so you don’t do things by half there and I think that’s one of the the things that will certainly I’m drawn to your books and I think I can probably speak for all of your book lovers out there as well there’s so much in them your books have really complex there’s so many angles to them and it’s delicious I can’t wait I can’t wait and when are you looking to get that one released I think that’s November it’s so I mean these things sometimes don’t but at the moment it’s November bated breath bated breath indeed okay now and also and I mean I think more on requiem for this book but it might be for some of the others you’ve written some really interest in topics what’s been the most unusual thing you’ve had to research well you’ve written a book and as anyone ever said no to helping youth yes you did and I know you where you’ve been reading yes I had time researching getting people in Korea yeah why don’t listen first thing I thought oh we’re gonna be fascinating if Requiem keeps our counsel which is a big Lee sort of simply type creature thing like you know and it paralyzes other fish with its venom I thought that’d be fun yes so I’ll just I’ll just quickly write off to this North Queensland will expert on cone snails and find out from him if you can you know kill someone with cone snail venom yeah we’ve got that whiny Yammer once he found that like it was all very polite until he found out until I asked the question of can you kill someone with this stuff from me really I had with under your skin I had all sorts of people and I asked on Quora which is like a forum or type thing about extradition with expeditions and how a tradition works and stuff and how you can avoid extradition from America and I got all these people warning me I’ll be safe be safe they thought I was trying to flee the country or something like dude no not them and like yeah that’s a good story stick to there it’s Christ story oh that’s brilliant really are quirky I’ve loved this this has been brilliant absolutely loved it you’re listening to the lesbian talk show the lesbian talk show con your hub of podcast information okay so I’ve got some fun and interesting questions for you Lee’s not in properties so you’re frying he goes some of them but you’d think about some of them are quite right it made me laugh writing them down so just I want to see your reaction okay what was the last book you read okay nice I love her books I’ve not read that one actually is it good yeah okay yeah I recently just finished her ask me again oh my goodness I cried it’s so good really emotional I absolutely loved it I must say okay right here we go Miranda Priestly or Robin Wright’s and always pronounce this wrong and type e in Wonder Woman would you choose and you have to choose one okay Miranda yep okay who would you like to be stranded on a desert island with I think my girlfriend she’s very funny yeah but if you mean someone like yeah who words if you could if it could be anybody who would you like to be stranded on a desert island with well I really didn’t like the extreme so probably have to go I have someone it’d sure go crazy they’ll be alive for you okay man oh very good okay good choice I would just like mmm she’s so wise I just yeah definitely my angel oh okay sorry Megan oh dear I’m terrible with pronunciations half the time no good choice I like that really good choice okay kitten paws or chocolate mmm oh okay okay now from your books who is your favorite ice queen and why was it I don’t know I just don’t know I really related to her intervention but she was just I just like her aloofness you had this great aloofness yeah I have to say and I think from all of your Ice Queen characters she’s the least I see I really I liked her a lot and I say yeah I think one of my coming book was even less I see she’s just really she’s just more a cop you know you know matter of fact yeah like it okay what is your favorite meal finish it’s on chips mmm love it and how often do you get to eat it oh not very often but I was my favorite childhood meal in town I just had this fun for sociation with it maybe once a month maybe nice nice nice nice okay now I ask everybody these last two and what’s the last image you took on your phone in your photo stream it was to the back of the modem so we knew had a wire up again next time nice you know I’ve got so many interesting photos like that and we’ve good actually I’ve got so much crap on my phone as well I share a photo stream with the boys and basically they take a lot of nonsense of themselves so there’s just pictures but yeah there’s often a practical photo on there of what did this look like before we started to get it back again yeah gotta do it the wonderful that was kinda dumb we’re still trying to get to the bottom of that Andy Coote okay nice and I don’t know if you do use these but I asked everybody so I’m gonna ask you as well what’s your most used emoji oh um there’s one with its teeth sort of like it’s not someone again sort of like it’s like if you had that emoji of someone backing away and like oh yeah okay actually I’m really pleased she did that because I wanted to mention her news well she is awesome and I love the banter between you two on Facebook she’s absolutely brilliant and the I row is dedicated to Charlotte actually some things just popped into my head is about another question for you now I’m sure you used to post that you’ve bought random stuff late at night or whatever and gone on yeah what’s the weirdest thing that you’ve bought late at night I bought some plant elephants which you know to compress your food to relieve pressure on the heel and your foot if you’ve got this particular own thing so I bought them and all it did was you know no look tight socks nothing happened no I didn’t know I bought five years of them that’s really random I always put some warnings last night I didn’t remember it my inbox going hey you’ve a Benton you oughta know is it like sleep order in Li thank you so much it’s been wonderful honestly really wonderful having you on so it finally took to close it out since this is a seize the day theme and listening to what you’ve got to say I mean you’ve been you’ve seen so many opportunities it’s really inspiring I think from this you know starting right at the beginning in your career how you then transitioned and everything else you you take those moments and you cease them even if it’s not particularly conscious at the time you you really are moving forward it’s wonderful it’s very admirable what would you say to anybody who wants to do something that’s out of their comfort zone I never write a blog write a book go to a new job or something whether what would you what kind of advice would you give them to just get out there and do it I would tell them to have in their life who are on their side who are optimistic not the people who telling always it’ll fail but somebody goes oh yeah how’d it go my mother was very optimistic she was always the can-do kind of woman and and my father was the opposite and when I want to become Adamas my dad to know like you know thousands of people apply and my mom turned to him and said oh why can’t she they better give it that one cadetships to someone and so I was really glad I had new boots on my life to sort of offset beds negativity so I had her sing that and it’s amazing how if you just have even one person in your life telling you well why can’t you do that why not it will really help you take the risk yeah you know if we go and always put your pattern it’s true what they say and if you find something you love you never work a day in your life yeah cuz if you enjoy it it’s not working is it well it is but it does you enjoy it but you’re so right to have positive people around you it pays it goes a long way because sometimes we can’t see the wood for the trees and I think you just need somebody now and again to say it doesn’t matter or just to help reinforce just go for it what’s the worst that can happen you know give it a go and you’ll be great and more often that you are you insane they’ve got the waterfall with eight floaties on so there’s me the other voice as well so I’m not saying you want to be lalala you know that’s good definitely I love that wonderful wonderful wonderful where can everybody find Julie I have a website yeah which is Lee winter author calm and you can hit me on social media twitter instagram facebook absolutely windows which is wonderful thank you so much for joining me this really has been a treat and a highlight for me really wonderful and thanks everybody for listening you’re gorgeous as always take care look after yourself keep well you have been listening to seize the day but Natalie Venice now all contact information can be found in the show notes together with any links to websites I may have referred to in the show if you’ve enjoyed this podcast then come talk to us of a lesbian talk show chat group on Facebook email us on podcast at the lesbian talk show calm or follow us on Twitter at lesbian talk show you can also join our community of patrons and get exclusive content go to patreon.com/scishow the link is in the show notes thank you thank you thank you [Music]  English (auto-generated)    Up next